The audience has abandoned Star Wars. Ratings for Obi-Wan Kenobi are so bad that it is fair to wonder when the plug is going to be pulled.
Everything at Disney is on fire other than the parks which are buoyed by international guests this summer. Phase Four for the MCU movies is a canary in the coal mine situation. They’ve had flop after flop with only Shang-Chi arguably making any sort of profit. Who could have ever seen that coming, other than a few websites such as this one? Pixar can’t seem to produce a profitable theatrical release to save its life and Disney Animation Studios is following right along in their footsteps. The ratings we’re seeing for Disney+ shows indicates at least a slowdown in subscriber additions… but Netflix losses simultaneous to Stranger Things may indicate that Disney+ numbers could be following a similar slip when we get the data next time. But nothing… nothing… is collapsing harder than Star Wars and Lucasfilm. Up until today, we just didn’t know how bad it was.
Before getting into the numbers, I also want to say that there are some things adding up in my head. Disney has known these ratings long before we’re getting them. They have the real-time data which they hold very close to their vest. I knew something was up when they didn’t crow about the ratings with some sort of press release back when Kenobi had its finale. Remember that Stranger Things had zero new content that week, so this was a wide-open opportunity for Kenobi to blast its way it victory and huge viewership. Also remember that Disney allegedly has been using Kenobi as a way to grab bigger advertising rates for a future Disney+ ad-based model. All of that said… is it just coincidence that both Overlord DVD and That Park Place sources suddenly started leaking rumors about an end for Kathleen Kennedy, as well as frustration on the part of Jon Favreau, just days before these ratings came out? Something is up in my opinion. Kennedy and her husband may want to come back from their multi-month European bounce-around.
For context, here are the finale numbers for both Loki and WandaVision back from last year, at a time when Disney+ had far fewer subscribers:
Loki Season 1 was streamed a total of 1011 million minutes in its final week, according to Nielsen, a drop from 1.08 billion minutes season high in the previous week. Loki’s final week numbers slightly beat WandaVision’s final week numbers (924 Million minutes).
— Our friend, Scott Mendelson, Forbes
Okay, here are the streaming ratings for original shows during Obi-Wan Kenobi’s final week (Nielsen):
Pos, Platform, Title, Minutes Streamed in Millions
| 1 | Netflix | The Umbrella Academy | 2,454 | |
| 2 | Netflix | Stranger Things | 2,326 | |
| 3 | Disney+ | Obi-Wan Kenobi | 860 | |
| 4 | Amazon | The Boys | 712 | |
| 5 | Netflix | Peaky Blinders | 569 | |
| 6 | Netflix | God’s Favorite Idiot | 402 | |
| 7 | Netflix | Ozark | 386 | |
| 8 | Netflix | The Lincoln Lawyer | 383 | |
| 9 | Amazon | The Summer I Turned Pretty | 376 | |
| 10 | Netflix | Web of Make Believe: Death, Lies and the Internet | 375 |
Alright, so what we’re looking at is that the “battle of the century,” the rematch between Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi following twenty years of hype and expectations, was essentially tripled by Stranger Things and Umbrella Academy. That’s not all. This supposedly massive event was beaten by WandaVision and Loki from a year prior when the audience was far smaller for the Disney+ platform.
This is truly, 100% cataclysmically bad for Disney. This is awful. There is no way to spin this whatsoever. Let me put this in perspective.
Let’s say that Disney came out with a theatrical release for Star Wars. Let’s say it was an Obi-Wan Kenobi movie. And let’s say that the movie made $86 million in its opening weekend while two other movies made more than $200 million in that same weekend, placing Kenobi in a very distant third spot. Would the headlines be blaring a major red-alert for everything Star Wars in that situation? You’d better believe it. And you’d better believe anyone with any sense in Hollywood is looking at these stats and saying “whoa.”
In early June, I discussed that Star Wars as a brand is dead in comparison to anything that it once was. That drew criticism, but it’s totally accurate. This is what dead looks like. If we pull in not just original streaming shows for our ratings list, but we also broaden this to movies, Obi-Wan Kenobi’s finale came in below a Netflix movie called “The Man from Toronto.” Let me say it again: Kenobi’s finale was beaten in the ratings by “The Man from Toronto.”
How many people are talking about “The Man from Toronto”?
More than are talking about Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Let that settle in your brain for a minute.
When Lorn Conner had the following to say at the conclusion of Kenobi, he was striking gold with his wisdom:
Star Wars is Dead – So Now What?
For some time now, I’ve been holding out hope that a restoration of the glory days of Star Wars could occur. For much of that time, I’ve also said that the Obi-Wan Kenobi series would be the make-or-break point for Disney Star Wars. Now that the series has concluded, I don’t think that any other conclusion than the death of the franchise is possible.
Obi-Wan Kenobi may have only received a $90 million production budget, but it had everything and the kitchen sink literally thrown at it for marketing. There’s no telling how much money they spent. They did everything in their power. And this thing fell to year-old MCU series that were not themselves lighting the culture on fire, fell to two Netflix movies, and was walloped by an unbelievable margin by Stranger Things and The Umbrella Academy.
So you want to pretend Kathleen Kennedy is sticking around much longer? Think again. This is math now. The trades might not want to put it this way yet but this is as big a red alert as Disney is going to receive. This is worse than the Lightyear situation. At least it made $50 million at the box office in its opening weekend as a movie nobody really wanted or cared about. We’re talking about Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin rematching for the first time since the prequels!
So let the purge begin. It can start now or it can start later, but this is a business issue. This is math. There is no way that Disney is about to squander every bit of their lead in the industry for whatever is going on with politics and ideology at their studios.
For us, who cares what they’re going to do with The Acolyte? They can do whatever they want. Nobody is going to watch. They can’t meet last year’s Disney+ numbers for Obi-Wan Kenobi and you think Harvey Weinstein’s assistant is going to produce a Star Wars show that will suddenly draw ratings? That thing’s going to pull half of what Ms. Marvel is doing and we’re not even reviewing Ms. Marvel because the ratings are too low to justify it (we’re sorry to say that, we hear from people like Kamran Pasha it was made with love and care). So go ahead and act like a bunch of raging nuts with your Acolyte headlines for SDCC — the brand is dead when I suspect that sort of a show is going to pull ratings like “Love & Gelato” or “Chickenhare and the Hamster of Darkness.” Yes, those are real movies on Netflix, and yes, I believe The Acolyte will be competitive with their ratings.
We are no longer in that stage where we predicted what was coming for Star Wars in terms of everyone leaving. We’re there.
This is what dead looks like. Now we wait for Bob Chapek and the Board of Directors to pull the plug. One thing I can guarantee: they will not continue in this direction or they will lose major money every single time. And the way capitalism works is that there’s no way they’re going to do that on a regular basis knowingly. Let’s Batman v Superman this thing. The party is over. The lights are out. Star Wars is dead in all of its current trajectories. There’s no point in us covering it in the way we have been until something changes. The fans are gone.
Next week we’ll cover the finale for Stranger Things and its ratings. Then we’ll see what a success looks like.
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I enjoyed Kenobi. I believe the blame should be laid at StarWars Twitters feet. Kennedy’s name, and the angry fandom that all together ruined it. IIl blame several angry people on our sidee and their side. My question is this for The fandom menace here why does Kennedy who is nothing more than a figurehead still trigger you? And why would you allow yourselves to be dragged into yet another fight with lucasfilm over them slandering you with racism charges? They know exactly what they were doing when they did that. I’m washing my hands of it. Kenobi was good. I don’t give a crap who was the producer. We know Favreau was the one behind it. Everyone needs to look to themselves to see what they could have done better. I’m done. I want her gone now. Not because she bothers me but because every time some simpleton sees her name they immediately freak out. She is not the most powerful woman in Hollywood and she never was. That’s Oprah Winfrey okay. That’s Barbara Streisand. Meryl Streep is more powerful than Kathleen Kennedy and always has been. The idea that she’s some sort of all-powerful evil goddess to me is just hysterical. We have a bunch of people who still live in 2018. And they need to stop it. It was but an eyelash of time. And yet it seems like it was 5 seconds ago but it was really a long time ago and the world is very different now. But again we all have to look to ourselves to see what we could have done better. And I’m looking at a lot of people. As far as Star Wars being dead. It’s not. It’s a franchise not a human being not a life. So we have to stop talking that way. And we also have to articulate what we want from it. I know what I want and I’ve said it many many times. There’s a lot of soul searching that’s going to have to go on because a lot of us are to blame. I’ve got friends who can’t go on Twitter because they’re so mad at The fandom menace and the sjw shills. Think about it. We’re better than this.
Kenobi is aggressive mediocre, some people like you are fine with that but people like me have seen Star Wars gone from being the crown jewel of Hollywood to being yet another generic sci fi series. And I am not ok with it. Right now Disney is in big trouble because both Star Wars and Marvel are becoming whatevers and no different from DC under Warner, and if there is no rapid change in direction soon then the company could genuinely die.
How was it a crown jewel when all of my life I had to hear Karens of different genders say that the Prequels started the decline of the franchise? Disney isn’t going to magically die.
If Star Wars is not the crown jewel then why did Disney pay 4 billion to buy Lucasfilm? Prequels couldn’t make a dent to the popularity of Star Wars.
4 billion is not a very high price tag when you consider that Pixar, Marvel and Fox were sold for much higher than Star Wars. Or maybe it was sold because LucasFilm was actually nearly bankrupt at the time. Popular but almost bankrupt? That’s a pretty warped view of success my guy.
Ok Stephanie, I’ll bite
This all started after TLJ and a decent chunk of the fanbase was disappointed with the direction of the film. Had Rian Johnson said “I’m sorry my vision for Star Wars didn’t live up to your expectations” things would have blown over. Instead he said what he said and the rest of the Hollywood entertainment complex started calling people racist, sexist and phobic.
The Fandom Menace is Frankenstein monster created by Hollywood and it ain’t going away any time soon.
As to why she still bothers “us”, she is still the president of Lucasfilm and if rumors are to be believed, she is still inserting her political agenda into Star Wars shows.
As to what you like, great, I’m happy for you. I’ll never begrudge someone for liking something I don’t. I don’t like Anime, I don’t like Football and I don’t like Disney Star Wars. If you choose to like those things, it’s no sweat off my brow.
I have a question. You said that Stranger Things had no new content the same week as Obi-Wan’s finale. Which means you are citing its total series viewership compared to just Obi-Wan’s finale, no? If so that’s not apples to apples. I don’t disagree with your overall point, Star Wars is not a healthy franchise at the moment, but the Loki comparison is far more apt as it compares like to like.
Nope. Both series are compared in total for the week listed. Apples-to-apples except that Stranger Things didn’t have its finale yet.
Good question though and thank you for taking the time to comment.
Again, forgive me if I’m misunderstanding you, is that all of Stranger Things’ seasons and episodes VS all of Kenobi’s? If so, would it be surprising that a series in its fourth season and at that point almost three dozen episodes to have more total viewed minutes than a series ending it’s first season and sixth episode? And it’s not like Stranger Things was a legacy show out of the public’s consciousness at that point. To the contrary, ST was hot and would have a lot of first timers binging, not to mention regular viewers doing re-watches.
No, I’m comparing Kenobi’s finale ratings with Disney+ shows that has smaller audiences, PLUS comparing Kenobi’s finale with another show that had zero new content that week.
From every angle, it’s bad.
Honestly, it’s bigger than Star Wars. It’s all of Disney entertainment. Disney is suffering a ‘Ford Pinto’ moment where their products are known for extremely poor quality. They can recover, like Ford did. But they MUST make personell changes quickly first. It will take years to recover from the brand damage that has been done.
I don’t know if it will be “years”. With good will and a string of good products it can be like 2-3 years. Hell if they redid the Sequels, which still isn’t happening, the goodwill can be instantaneous.
Not talking just Star Wars, but all of Disney’s media entertainment. Either way, they cannot recover without removing and replacing many, many people. The current set created the problems, and Disney better not expect them to be the one’s that will fix it.
Agree that Lucasfilm could turn around in 2-3 years, but it’d take a string of hits to build trust again.
I understand you’re angry in this article Pro, but it’s not dead unless Favreau and Filoni are gone to which then it will be dead. I’m certain that after Indiana Jones 5 is released they’ll do whatever is needed to be done with Kennedy. Also Acolyte will be watched by people so it’s not like “Nobody” is watching it the same as Ms Marvel did even if the last two episodes weren’t good.
All the woke crap alone has ruined it for me, much less the abysmally poor quality of the writing, starting with TLJ. There’s nothing left to save for me… Star Wars is dead and I’ve walked away from it forever. The Disney Groomer Company will never get another dime from me.
How foolish to not allow them to win you back. Only disposable luxury “fans” discard Star Wars like that.
How can they win us back when they are producing crap of lower and lower quality over time?
It happened in the Bronze Age, it can happen again with another Renaissance.
LOL there is no comeback from going full “inappropriate behavior towards children”.
The mouse is dead.
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Speaking only for myself…
For Disney to win me back, they’d more or less have to repudiate most of what they’ve done since taking over the franchise, so I think we’re all better off if the GFFA and I go our separate ways
I remember back in the 90s when I loved Star Wars and it seemed like not many people were watching. I watch the whole trilogy almost every day (oh to have that kind of time to waste again) and I read the novels. Now we’re bemoaning that Star Wars is not popular again, but at least when I was younger it was due to lack of content instead of the content being meh.
Your mistake is thinking we live in a Capitalist democracy. We live in a military dictatorship and Disney is part of their psyop. Disney ain’t changing.
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Lol, I agree that they’re not changing, but for different reasons.
I really wish I could believe this, but it’s not about making a profit anymore. You remember CNN, right? Their ratings have been in the crapper for probably a decade+.
If the majority shareholders of Disney actually cared about profit, they would have released the original trilogy, pre-special edition, once they had ownership of Fox. If the majority shareholders cared about profit, they would have allowed Favreau to retcon the Sequel Trilogy. If they cared, they would have done a 180 turn after they realized that Mandalorian sold and Sequel Trilogy didn’t.
They don’t care, and here’s why:
Disney’s top shareholders (and the percentage of the company’s stock they own) are:
Vanguard Group, Inc. 7.38%
Blackrock Inc. 6.36%
State Street Corp. 4.14%
State Farm Mutual Automobile Insurance Co. 2.34%
FMR, LLC. 1.99%
Morgan Stanley. 1.68%
Geode Capital Management, LLC. 1.41%
Bank Of New York Mellon Corp. 1.37%
Northern Trust Corp. 1.36%
Price (T.Rowe) Associates Inc.1.16%
It’s an agenda. A Leftist/Marxist agenda, where destroying cultural icons and replacing them with new, approved icons is paramount to writing good stories and appeasing fans.
It’s been political… and it will likely remain political. I hope you’re right, but I don’t think you are. Vanguard, Black Rock and State Street do not give a crap about Disney/Star Wars/Marvel ratings/profits. They care about power and the agenda. They own nearly everything (about 90% of the S&P) and Disney is just a drop in the bucket.
CNN, Fox News and MSNBC get the majority of their money from cable companies carrying it in their line up. For them, ratings are more about bragging rights than anything else
I agree that for Disney, profit is secondary to ideology, but I’ve heard reports that Lucas forbade further adjustments to the OT when he sold Lucasfilm, and that might include reverting to pre-SE/DVD/BluRay/Disney+ versions.
That might be how capitalism works, but Lucasfilm is packed with untalented communists from top to bottom.
So who is going to fire Kathleen Kennedy? Another communist at the top who thinks and believes just like she does?
They will take this flaming franchise down before they ever give it up.